[10 min] Elongated rooms perpendicular is pretty stupid design. Any thinking person would have elongated rooms side by side...

Risk of Revolt + Denierbuds's Own Concept

[10 min] ...this improved design has just 100 Jews going in an undressing room, since 2000 people is too ??? and hard to control, in particularly if there is a revolt.The undressed go into a shower room which in contrast to this is actually a convincing shower room where steel guillotine doors shut, in other words, doors that open towards the sky and shut towards the ground.

[11 min] The gas chamber fills with gas and afterwards steal guillotine doors open at a conveyor belt to a continuously operating oven. The bodies are all ready at short distance to the conveyor belt. The floor's ??? is slightly ??? conceptually a little bit like this. A gassing could happen every hour and a half and the strong point of this design is bodies are put into the oven steadily throughout the day and night. Because cremating the bodies is the hardest part of the process. It could do 13 gassings a day killing 13 hundred people. It is also small and easy duplicable.

• On 23 October 1943, the SS man Schillinger was fatally wounded and as a consequence the victims were gunned down in the basement. The key moment leading to the uprising seemed to be an individual act of resistance by a Jewess seizing the gun of a SS guard probably coupled with misbehavior of the same, but not a collective, concerted revolt that degree of danger was scaling with the number of victims. There is no reason to believe that the fatal shooting would have been prevented by downsizing the crowd from say 1000 to 100 victims. Moreover, the incident shows that striking down a revolt of a mostly unarmed mass of people not familiar with the place was not posing a big problem.
  
  
• Sonderkommando researcher Andreas Killian mentions a mass escape of Hungarian Jews in June 1944 because of an improperly closed door (due to the lack of published and properly referenced evidence, the historical reality of the event is unclear, but will be accepted here for the sake of argument). The escape as such would not have been avoided by a reduced number of victims, but only by properly closing the door. There were apparently no causalities among the SS.

[11 min] Woman 1: "And when we were in the train we were afraid, we never knew what will be our future."

Among Jews rumors of gas chambers abounded during the war as can be seen in this testimony.

[12 min] Woman 2: "I was standing naked before the doctor and looking very proud into his eyes and so that he is seeing how a proud Jewish women is go into die because most of us knew that in Auschwitz and from the taps there didn't come any water but the gas and from the taps came fine warm water afterwards we dressed up and returned to our train it was a very relieving experience after we were ready to die there"

She soberly accepted her fate but that couldn't have been every person's reaction who didn't believe the shower story. Some would have become hysterical and under proverbial yelling ??? in the crowded theater.

[...]

[13 min] Her testimony shows us that gassing rumors existed among Jews.

"...did not grasp, where they were. They had heard that the Germans had persecuted the Jews for years and killed many of them, but a lot of this was hopefully rated as rumor. Auschwitz did not mean anything to many of them and the fewest knew about the gas chambers... most of the Hungarian Jews gave the impression of ignorance to prisoners who stayed already for a long time in the camp. Few guards were therefore necessary for the march to the crematoria."

Gas Chamber Loading

We thus expect some level of non-cooperation from them. On a football field the Auschwitz gas chamber would be this size, that little flashing white line being the door. To see how crowded it would be, we have this be a head and these are shoulders. We make one row of 14 people across 23 feet. And bring it up into the gas chamber. That would be how crowded the gas chamber would be.

Gabbai: "And after that, you know, when after 15, 20 minutes they open up the thing, the first thing I see, I saw the people I saw 15 minutes before alive, I saw the mothers with the children standing up, because the gas chamber will take maybe 500 people was used to make 2500 people everybody standing up, there was no room for anything else than standing up."

[14 min] This density implies no resistance at all, it implies total cooperation.

Gabbai: "From time to time, we were tell very few words that they are going to die."

It's hard to believe that 2000 people would go in there without resistance or outright rebellion. Because that's a little over 1 feet² per person which would make them skeptical of the shower story in particularly with no soap dispensers anywhere. 

[14 min] Commentator: "The Nazis had largely increased the number of Jewish prisoners in the Sonderkommando, prisoners who were forced to work in the crematoria, to deal with the massive numbers the Nazis planned to murder. So much so that the crematorium and gas chamber like this was operated by around 100 Jews and just 4 Germans." 

[15 min] It's not believable that Jewish men would do that and not believable that the Germans would assign so few Germans.

[15 min]Interviewer: "Why were you doing this, who was overseeing all this who was there?

Gabbai: "Well, the Kapos of the crematorium."

A Kapo was a Jewish worker put in charge.

[15 min]Gabbai: "We only had 1 or 2 guards there. Wasn't too many SS...outside the crematorium heavily ??? 3, 4 ??? about half a dozen well equipped SS just moving around but inside the crematorium were only a couple of SS 2 or 3 SS. The Kapos were doing the job."

[16 min] And in a layout like this, it's hard to believe that they could get people to move all the way to the back in particulary if you find out that it was Jewish workers running the operation.

[16 min] [...] This level of crowding would take military discipline, total compliance and a lot of practice.

"How did they get these 1,000 people to pack themselves tightly together, as one can expect from soldiers who have practiced this for weeks on a parade ground? The only solution is that this must have been practiced just as intensively and disciplined as soldiers do it. And of course, at some point in this alleged scenario, people had to realize that they were not gathering for a shower, thus resulting in panic and lack of orderly cooperation with their murderers’ procedures."

1. What is the range of the gas chamber crowd density as estimated by eyewitnesses?
2. What is necessary to densify crowds?
3. What densities can be achieved in practice?

"Against the original design offering a capacity of 1,800 passengers (900 sitting plus 900 standing) per nine-car train, at present a nine-car train, carries 5,000 passengers (900 sitting plus more than 4,000 people in standing condition) during peak hours. This has resulted in, what is known as, super dense crush loading conditions in Mumbai resulting in a passenger loading of 16 passengers per square metre, which is the highest in the world."

• For the Hillsborough disaster on 15 April 1989 in England with 96 deads, a peak density of 10 people per m² was estimated from photographs (Nicholson and Roebuck, The investigation of the Hillsborough disaster by the Health and Safety Executive, Safety Science, 18, 1995)

• Experiments performed by the British Health and Safety Executive with adults of both sexes "suggested that crowd densities of 10 persons/m² could be achieved for periods of 2 minutes without distress." (source as before)

  Jews in the Sonderkommando

[16 min] And it’s not believable that the Germans would have Jews of all the ethnicies of Europe run the killing operation since they are the ethnic that was most likely to format a revolt and a mutiny.

Crowd pressure vs. Gas Chamber Door

[17 min] At some point in the gassing operation people would panic and search towards the door. How hard could they push? Consider the Heysel Stadium disaster of 1985, where 39 people were killed [...] They pushed over a concrete wall, so in the gas chamber how hard could they push on this door and what does the door look like.

[18 min] In the movie potrayed it looks strong. But if we have actual photos of the cremation ovens under construction and finished, might there be a photo of a gas chamber door somewhere? To find out we to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum website and look up gassing operations. And scroll down to further readings to find auther Jean-Claude Pressac. In his book Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers we find numerous photos of the type of door used though not the actual door.

Gabbai: "You know it takes about 4, 5 minutes to die except the peopel who are infront where the gas is coming there it takes about a couple of minutes."

We see wood slads, this is tape to keep the gas from coming out through the cracks. This flimsey rod iron band is what would hold 2000 panicking people inside. It pivets there, swinging this way. The doors were mate by the inmates themselves. On page 46 we read, 'this type of gas tight door, with the same method of closing was to be used as it stood in the homicidal gas chambers'.

[19 min] But up here it says that this is 'the gas tight door of the Kanada I delousing gas chamber'. In other words, behind this door would be a room full of blankets and clothes to be fumigated. But we are supposed to believe that the same door design with no added fortifications would be used to hold 2000 panicking people in a gas chamber

Gabbai: "They get undress and right away they were going direct to the chambers. And since it takes a few minutes to die, then they realized that they were dying. So you always would find when you open the door some scratches in the walls of blood, they were going with their fingers scratching the walls to get safe at some place, there was no way."

[20 min]Müller: "Secondly, most people tried to push their way to the door. It was psychological: they knew where the door was, so maybe they could force their way. It was instinctive in the death struggle."

If a surge of panicking people pushed on such a flimsy door the people nearest the door would be crushed to death and then the latches would give and the door would burst open. And how believable is it that a door for 2000 people to go through on a regular basis is the size of a household door.

"...the collapse of a defective wall was a major contributory factor to the deaths”

"The wall, no more than four feet high and twenty feet long, was more than 50 years old, its cement cladding crumbling away from the rotting brickwork"

Crowd pressure vs. Gas Introduction Column

[20 min] And these columns through which Zyklon B was poured, Pressac’s book as a schematic diagram of it, which Pressac drew himself based on eyewitness claims. It looks like chicken wire. They would have been destroyed by the crowd also.

Elevator

[20 min] Jean-Claude Pressac's book has a photo of the elevator too. It says “a provisional 300 kg capacity goods hoist used in Krematorium II".

[21 min] So the bodies would go on here, and this is a triangular bar with a stabilizing piece of wood here. How flimsy. Imagine you have 2000 bodies in the basement but maximum capacity 661 pounds. So with seven bodies going up at a time, you would have to make 285 trips. Why not just have a conveyer belt on an incline here. Like this. It says provisional as in temporary, but Carlo Mattogno in his book Auschwitz: The Case for Sanity makes a strong case that this was the elevator that remained for the entire war period.

Hasty Generalization

[21 min] Germany is the country of BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Volkswagen, Krups and Braun. Industrial design is part of their culture.

[22 min] So much so that in North America sometimes this is made into a parody. [...] Yet, the design at Auschwitz is so poor that it can't be believed.

[22 min] Cremation - most people don't know how long it takes. It is a key issue because while a wall of 15 ovens seems like a lot it's not even close to being able to handle the 2000 bodies downstairs. To illustrate, let's think of the process in terms of time. Let's say everyone undressing and then going into the gas chamber takes a half hour.

[23 min] Now we jump to the gas chamber and let's say the time to kill everyone with poison gas also takes half an hour. So now we are one hour into the killing operation. In hour number two, 15 bodies are taken upstairs to the 15 ovens and cremated. Each body is put on a stretcher and placed in the oven. On average it takes an hour to cremate a body. So in hour number one, two thousand Jews are killed. In hour number two, 15 Jews are cremated with 1,985 left to go. In hour number three, 15 more are cremated with 1,970 left to go.

[24 min] And at this snail's pace, at hour number 133, or 5 days later, you cremate 15 bodies and have only 5 left to go. You cannot do another gassing until the sixth day, cause there is nowhere to put the bodies. The point is, the Germans would have never had a system with a ration like this, where the cremation holds up the killing for almost a week. Another way to look at it. The 15 ovens take about a row of bodies in one hour. But look how many rows you have left. How does Dario Gabbai make it work?

Gabbai: "And then, we went upstairs into the second floor and but them on stretchers. And put them in the oven. And just from the body fat, they didn't have to do anything, they started the ovens but afterwards the body fat of each person was given the flames."

[25 min] He makes it working by focusing on the fat content of the body ignoring the water content.

Gabbai: "And actually they had to put outside the women and inside the men because the women have more fat and could burn the bodies."

The bigger issue is that both bodies are around 60% water, evaporating this water takes the first half of the cremation time. And after that the female body has more fat and will burn faster. But only 3% faster in total time, a negligible difference. How else does he make it work?

Interviewer: "So, after taking the bodies out of the gas chamber and putting them on these elevators, then what would happen?"

Gabbai: "You put them in the ovens."

[26 min] Interviewer: "Who would put them in the ovens?"

Gabbai: "Two ??? people, you know, put them on stretchers, three four of them on stretchers and put them in the oven."

He makes it work by putting three or four bodies in each opening.

Interviewer: "How many people were you actually able to put inside each oven?"

Gabbai: "?? put about four."

How else does he make it work?

Interviewer: "And how long again would it take to burn..."

Gabbai: "20 to 30 minutes."  

By not having it take very long.

Interviewer: "Did they give you any kind of instructions of how to do things or give you tools to work with?"
      
Gabbai: "They give you all the tools, you know, every 20 minutes you have to turn them around, takes 30 - 40 minutes to burn them."

He makes it work by having 3-4 bodies take 30-40 minutes, which averages to 10 min per body. Whereas we said the average is one hour for one body. With an average of 10 minutes per body you can clear out the gas chamber a lot faster than six days.

[27 min] So what do the cremation experts say? Does it take an hour an body or could you put three to four bodies in an opening and have it to take 30 to 40 min?...We look for cremation information on tube and find Elisa Krcilek. Elisa is a funeral director who works for the Cremation Society of Illinois as their Vice president.

Interviewer: "And could you tell us something about the cremation process itself?"

This video was never meant to support the Auschwitz gas chamber being a myth, but under fair use we can use it as that. Because cremation of one body at the same time is illegal, we can think of three to four bodies as an equivalent to a 300 to 400 pounds person.   

Interviewer: "And could you tell us something about the cremation process itself?"

[28 min]Krcilek: "Certainly, the cremation process on the average takes about two to three hours. There is a lot of variations that would, um, cause a cremation to take more time or less time, um, size of an individual is a big factor in that." 

The number is high, but she is probably including heating the oven and cooling the remains which aren't factors for us. So it does take time to cool the remains. Patrick O'Neal is a funeral director featured on a National Geographic TV program about the cremation. Neither he nor National Geographic ever intended their information to be used in this context either. 

Narrator: "What are the unique features of this funeral home is the inclusion of a crematorium on site.

O'Neal: "This is where I like to show off what I do for the living. These machines are actualy 38,000 pounds, cost around 100,000 Dollars a piece."

[29 min]Narrator: "Process. He estimates the time it takes to time cremate a body is an hour for 45 kg."

45 kg is about 100 pounds. So that's one hour for an 100 pounds person which is the number we used. The National Geographic video shows a cremation oven manufacturing plant.

Narrator: "In steel retorts the monitoring of the combustion process is automated. Temperature sensors are installed in the chamber. These sensors are wired to the control panel and they provide the data to regulate the fuel and air flow for the cremation."

Putting four bodies in an oven might be equivalent to one large body and this company says that it takes extra requirements. 

Narrator: "Currently B&L makes six different types of cremation retorts. Some of these models are for very large bodies up to 385 kilos.

[30 min]It takes 5 months to make ones of these large sized models and 18 workers can be involved in the process. Two months longer than a regular model. A mammoth crane is needed to lift anyone of these machines for transport. They weight 18 tons."

We go to the website and find the Phoenix II oven. It gives a cremation rate of 150 pounds per hour. In hour calculation we used a hundred pounds an hour. For ovens built 70 years earlier. With the average person weighting 100 pounds based on data in the book Auschwitz: The Case for Sanity...

Gabbai: "It put about four...takes 30, 30- 40 minutes to burn them"

...That would take more like four hours. He lies about the cremation rate to obscure the fact that 15 ovens isn't enough to handle 2000 bodies.

[30 min] And when that's established, the overall number of 1/2 a million can't be true either.

[31 min] Because Holocaust historians tells us that crematorium 2 wasn't in operation until spring 1943 and ending in November 1944. It was only supposedly in operation for a year and a half. They tell us that 500,000 were killed in this building. But because of the slow cremation rate, that's not enough time to kill that many people. 15 ovens would not have been enough even if there had been these computerized ovens. This is Carlo Mattogno. In his book Auschwitz: Case for Sanity he shows that four bodies would not even fit in that opening and that the vapourizing water, 96 gallons for 12 bodies would overwhelm the oven bringing the temperature down to much for to work properly. A muffle is the opening in the oven.

[32 min] For instance, here the middle muffle opened faster than the left. Now the right muffle is opening up. Mattogno tells us can't go in lenghtwise because the depth of the muffle 6 feet 11 inches. You can't do two stretcher boats either, because here we look at the underside of the stretcher. There are the rollers. Mattogno tells us that if you drop one body in and than load the stretcher with three more, this part of the stretcher would hit the body and block the stretcher. You thus have to put four bodies here and use the stretcher to slide them into this opening, which wouldn't fit. At Mauthausen, Carlo Mattogno found the type of muffle they had in crematorium 2 at Auschwitz. There is the stretcher, some flowers and a red candle have been placed in the back. This candle is this candel right here.

[33 min] We look at this muffle. Someone has placed some flowers and green cellophane right there. If a body was put in, and the stretcher pulled out, the body would come up to here. The second body would come up to here. There is little room after that. These ovens are at Buchenwald, there you see the rollers. But it's the same muffle that they had in Auschwitz. These are liberated prisoners in 1945 demonstrating for the Americans. Lawrence Rees is the world's most well known Auschwitz historian.

Rees: "The normal experience of going to this place was to die."

He wrote and produced a six part series on Auschwitz for the BBC. 

Narrator: "This is the site of the largest mass murder in history in the history of the world - Auschwitz."

[34 min] And he wrote this companion book to the BBC series which won the book of the year in Britain in 2006. How would he solve the slow cremation rate problem? "On the ground floor was a large crematorium with three mufflers capable of burning five corpses each." Mufflers is a misprint for muffles, but the main point is he says they put five corpses in each opening. Or on another page: "The ovens...each capable of holding several bodies." The reader is getting the emotional impression of urban barbarity. But never questioning if it's even possible.

 "As a result of the sizeable occupants (125,000 prisoners), a Crematorium is being constructed. It contains 5 [crematory] muffel ovens each [oven] with 3 muffles for 2 men, so that in one hour 60 men could be cremated."

 "Performance of the now available crematoria at 24 hours of operation time:

1.) old crematorium I 3 x 2 muffle ovens 340 persons

2.) new crematorium in the POW camp II 5 x 3 muffle ovens 1440 persons

3.) new crematorium III 5 x 3 muffle ovens 1440 persons

4.) new crematorium IV 8 muffle ovens 768 persons

5.) new crematorium V 8 muffle ovens 768 persons"

"So they help themselves by numerous ovens/muffles and by stuffing the individual muffle full with several corpses."

Bones Outside the Crematorium

And he devotes four pages to Dario Gabbai. Gabbai has never told his story to anyone until the 1990s. What was he doing before that? He had a brief and minor skit as an actor in the Hollywood movie called the glory brigade. He went from the worst profession in the world to the most glamorous one.
[35 min] 18 years after his supposed job in Auschwitz. And we even didn't get into the crazier stuff he said.

Gabbai: "You know, when we came in the crematorium all the streets in the crematorium outside were all from the bones."

Gas Chamber and Oven Loading

We said that 2000 people wouldn't have gone into a room of that size and we say that four bodies wouldn't fit in that opening, could it all be possible in Auschwitz because everybody was so thin? We go to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum website and read: Of the new arrivals in auschwitz the majority were sent immeadiately to the gas chambers. The point being, they wouldn't have had time to get thin.

[36 min] Now we learn where most came from.

Narrator: "The vast majority of those who were murdered in Auschwitz in 1944 came from one place: Hungary. In March 1944 the German troops entered Budapest, for the Nazis Hungary was a rich country right for plounder. although were already allied with Nazis, the Hungarians were unreliable partners as far as Hitler was concerned. At least in their refusal to deport the 760,000 Hungarian Jews."

So they came from a rich country and have been free up to now. Lawrence Rees' documentary shows pictures of Hungarian deportees and they don't look thin. The starvation happened more in the last few months of the war and Auschwitz was closed by that.

[37 min]Narrator: "On average, 75% of the people of each transport from Hungary was selected to be murdered immeadiately."

In Hungary, Jews have been hearing Nazi extermination rumors for most of the war and yet when packed like this in an unfamiliar underground 2000 person shower room when other Jews told them to - not believable. And where they thin from hunger like many would assume? No.

Corpse Cellar vs. Gassing Cellar

[37 min] Here is crematorium 2 from the air, so what was this building if it wasn't a gas chamber facility? The answer is on the blueprints of the Auschwitz archives. The text is small, but it says Leichenkeller 1, Keller means cellar as in wine cellar, Leichen means dead bodies. A cold underground place for storing dead bodies. And the other side was never an undressing room. It's labeled as Leichenkeller 2 corpse cellar number 2 cold to keep the bodies from spoiling until they can be cremated. 

"wasn't a gas chamber facility...was never an undressing room" (denierbud on the crematorium basements)

"gassing cellar...undressing room"(contemporary German documents on the crematorium basements)

The Underground Gas Chamber

[38 min] Underground never makes sense for a gas chamber.

In a report drawn up in Bratislava November 18, 1944 [the year was actually 1946: JH], Dieter Wisliceny, former Hauptsturmführer and Eichmann's representative in Slovakia, affirmed that to his knowledge "the decision of Hitler that ordered the biological extermination of European Judaism [sic]" must be dated back to "after the beginning of the war with the United States," that is, it would have been after 11 December 1941.

[118] The second wave of tightening--continues Wisliceny--occurred after the US entry into the war. [...]. In this period, after the outbreak of war with the United States, must fall, in my belief, Hitler's decision that ordered biological extermination of European Jewry [...]. The order of Himmler that Eichmann showed me in August 1942 dated back to the spring of 1942; certainly the order of Hitler had been given some time before, because in the order of Himmler the exemption [Zurückstellung] of the Jews able to work constituted the main object.

Harrison lies without reservation in saying that “Wisliceny referred to an extermination order by Himmler in April 1942, because Himmler explicitly referred to the Führer order for the “final solution of the Jewish question,” which for Wisliceny was given by Hitler at that time and for the first time.

I was sent to Berlin in July or August 1942 in connection with the status of Jews from Slovakia, which mission is referred to more fully hereinafter. I was talking to Eichmann in his office in Berlin when he said that on written order of Himmler all Jews were to be exterminated. I requested to be shown the order. He took a file from the safe and showed me a top secret document with a red border, indicating immediate action. It was addressed jointly to the Chief of the Security Police and SD and to the Inspector of Concentration Camps. The letter read substantially as follows:

"The Fuehrer has decided that the final solution of the Jewish question is to start immediately. I designate the Chief of the Security Police and SD and the Inspector of Concentration Camps as responsible for the execution of this order. The particulars of the program are to be agreed upon by the Chief of the Security Police and SD and the Inspector of Concentration Camps. I am to be informed currently as to the execution of this order."

The order was signed by Himmler and was dated some time in April 1942. Eichmann told me that the words "final solution" meant the biological extermination of the Jewish race, but that for the time being able-bodied Jews were to be spared and employed in industry to meet current requirements. I was so much impressed with this document which gave Eichmann authority to kill millions of people that I said at the time : "May God forbid that our enemies should ever do anything similar to the German people". He replied : "Don't be sentimental-this is a Fuehrer order". I realized at that time. that the order was a death warrant for millions of people and that the power to execute this order was in Eichmann's hands subject to approval of Heydrich and later Kaltenbrunner. The program of extermination was already under way and continued until late 1944. There was no change in the program during Kaltenbrunner's administration.

we understand easily why Hilberg and his colleagues did not mention Wisliceny's memorandum, which would force them to admit that the term Endlösung at the Wannsee Conference referred to the final solution of the Jewish question "in the form of resettlement."